I have left this blog unattended for too long. Several of the comments that have been left within the last month deserve a response. I’d like to begin by responding to the comment below about Jenny Lens. I understand the reason for this comment, and yet I love a woman who can sing her own praises. I wholeheartedly support the practice. It doesn’t mean that I think that Jenny Lens single-handedly created the L.A. punk scene. The L.A. punk scene was made up of a bunch of highly creative, intelligent people. Many of us had been misfits in school and not just because we liked a different kind of music, but because many of us had social I.Q.s that were sub-par. Committing the social faux pas of announcing to the world that we’re happy with ourselves is a hallmark of that type of behavior, but is it really a bad thing? Most of us probably think we’re pretty cool, but are aware that spending too much time talking about our own achievements will create the impression that we’re self centered or conceited. I think it’s refreshing that Jenny thinks she’s all that and is willing to say it. Women in general should do a little more of that. Men have been doing it for years. Take a look at any of the male dominated cable news shows and you’ll see for yourself.
Another comment that made me think long and hard was from a woman defending her choice to wear the veil. It was not my intention to insult women who wear the veil and yet I find that what I’m saying may be interpreted as inherently insulting. I am saying that these women are being victimized by their religious beliefs and by the establishment that supports them. I could say that of many religions and in fact of any women who must function within a patriarchal establishment and play by its rules. There’s no nice way to say it. I think you’re being hoodwinked in the same way that Americans are made to feel unpatriotic if they disagree with the administration’s views. Religious leaders need to be questioned and their ideas need to be challenged now and then.
Although I cannot apologize for my position on the subject of the veil, you shouldn’t take my disagreeing with you as a personal insult. Being able to exchange ideas, to question your own beliefs, to respond and defend your views, all those things are necessary for spiritual growth. I know that religious belief is not something that most people debate intellectually. The religious experience is personal and unique to each individual. My intention is not to attempt to invalidate anyone’s beliefs, simply to voice my own. For me, it would be impossible to participate in any religion that does not put women on equal footing with men. If Jesus himself, or Mohammed, or Buddha, spoke to me personally and said that women are inferior to men, I would still reject that as false dogma because I know with every ounce of my being that this is not true. I do not practice blind faith. I like to examine my beliefs scrupulously, with my eyes wide open.
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I thought it would be useful to google "Reza Aslan" and "veil" for a few quick quotes.
Here you go: " Although long seen as the most distinctive emblem of Islam, the veil is, surprisingly, not enjoined upon Muslim women anywhere in the Quran. The tradition of veiling and seclusion (known together as hijab) was introduced into Arabia long before Muhammad, primarily through Arab contacts with Syria and Iran, where the hijab was a sign of social status. After all, only a woman who need not work in the fields could afford to remain secluded and veiled."
" It is difficult to say with certainty when the veil was adopted by the rest of the Ummah, though it was most likely long after Muhammad's death. Muslim women probably began wearing the veil as a way to emulate the Prophet's wives, who were revered as "the Mothers of the Ummah". But the veil was neither compulsory, nor for that matter, widely adopted until generations after Muhammad's death, when a large body of male scriptural and legal scholars began using their religious and political authority to regain the dominance they had lost in society as a result of the Prophet's egalitarian reforms."
The veil is seen as a symbol of Islam but like all symbols, it's meaningless unless interpreted. The veil is as much a symbol of oppression of women as it is an expression of Muslim femininity. The strangeness of this is that if you go to a country where the veil is either mandatory or there is a lot of pressure to wear it, you'll find the vast majority of women are against it. But, if you go to a country like Turkey where the veil is outlawed in much of the public realm — in the latest polls, 70 percent of the Muslim women want to remove that law."
Just some food for thought.
thanks for your new blog.
your voice is an important voice and you are very good at speaking your mind and you share that with others.
Thank God for Alice Bag!
I also want to clarify that first sentence, because I think it may sound like I'm arguing for PC (I actually am happy to argue for PC in most cases, but that wasn't my intention). The point is that it's easy to examine your own beliefs with your "eyes wide open," because you presumably are clear what they are. If you make statements about Islam based on the over-generalized, cartoonish idea of it that most Americans hold, you come off sounding like one of the letter-writers to "Ask a Mexican."
If you go back and read the comment and the original post that Alice wrote, "Alice's Book Report" you will see that Alice is not attacking or judging anyone's religious beliefs. She was simply pointing out that females in the West are being insidiously controlled by constant focus on our outward appearances in much the same way that certain Islamic societies enforce the wearing of the veil as a way to control women. In fact, the inspiration for Alice's post came from an Islamic female's book, Persepolis, which I also highly recommend. The point is that all this worrying about offending God or some religious authority is just a ploy to keep us from focusing on more mundane (and threatening to the male establishment) issues.
Good topic, Alice! You got alot of people thinking, including me!
that's my girl, Alice you always get people talking...IF only our world leaders could do this, there would be NO WAR anywhere.
Thanks Alice!
The issue of hijab (covering in Arabic) is a complex one because it has been seized upon by Westerners as a symbol of oppression and specifically, oppression of females by Islamic societies, however, the historic and religious observance of hijab is so tightly woven into Islamic/Arabic aociety that any attack upon the practice can easily be viewed as a form of cultural imperialism. In fact, that is one of the complaints lodged against books like "Reading Lolita In Tehran" and "Persepolis" - that these books take a Westernized "feminist" view of what is essentially a non-Western indigenous custom. We are attempting to impose our external views on a people who don't want them imposed, or, as G.W. Bush would say, we are "bringing freedom to the Middle East."
BTW, excellent topic for discussion, Ms. Bag. Good for you!
ALICE
FOR PRESIDENT
JENNY LENS
for vice president.
everybody calm down
in with hate out with love
(the little one)
"Dogma demands authority, rather than intelligent thought, as the source of opinion; it requires persecution of heretics and hostility to unbelievers; it asks of its disciples that they should inhibit natural kindness in favor of systematic hatred.-- Bertrand Russell, quoted from Laird Wilcox, ed., "The Degeneration of Belief."
hey jenny and alice connie clarksville here blast from the past if it wasnt for my punk daughter i wouldnt have seen the pic and book and look back at my fun times at the canterbury apts and the masque im proud that i was part of the punk scene back in the 70s thanks for keeping it alive!! im still a rebel i ride a harley around nevada and am currentlly involved with a motorcycle club, i would love to play catch up email me at bikerlady21222yahoo, Love ya always, connie ps I dont do hair anymore bummer huh!
Connie,
I tried emailing you at the yahoo address but it bounced back, please email me at alice@alicebag.com so I can get in touch with you.
XO,
Alice
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